Susan Stokes, Director of the Chicago Center on Democracy, was recently a guest on WNYC‘s “The Takeaway” radio program. On the second anniversary of the January 6th insurrection, this program looked at the “state of democracy here in the United States and abroad, along with steps that can be taken to shore up the democratic system.”

The conversation asked questions such as: “What if our health goals were less individual and a little more collective? What would it look like to shore up the fitness not only of our physical bodies, but also of our body politic? What does it mean to defend an imperfect system?”

Listen to the program here.